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Oldest Civilization
Sunken City Off India Coast
7500 B.C.? 10 000 B.C.? 50 000 B.C.?
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The following text is taken from the Mahabharata.
The text in Section VI predicts the sinking of the City of Dwaravati.
Section VII describes how the city of Dwarka was swallowed up by
the ocean.  Geological expertise can help determine the period when
the city of Dwarka was lost beneath the ocean waves.
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From The Mahabharata
Mausala Parva, Section VI
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan GanguliVasudeva said:
This city of Dwaravati, after Arjuna’s
departure, will, with its walls and edifices, be swallowed
up by the ocean without any delay.From The Mahabharata
Mausala Parva, Section VII
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli
Vaisampayana said: The widows of the other heroes of the Bhoja
, the Vrishni, and the Andhaka races, lordless now, that set out with
Arjuna, numbered many millions.
That foremost of car-warriors, that conqueror of hostile towns, viz.,
the son of Pritha, escorted this vast procession of Vrishnis, which still
abounded with wealth, and which looked like a veritable ocean.
After all the people had set out, the ocean, that home of sharks and
alligators, flooded Dwarka, which still teemed with wealth of every
kind, with its waters. Whatever portion of the ground was passed
over, ocean immediately flooded over with his waters. Beholding this
wonderful sight, the inhabitants of Dwarka walked faster and faster,
saying, - "Wonderful is the course of fate! Dhananjaya (Arjuna), after
abandoning Dwarka, proceeded by slow marches, causing the Vrishni
women to rest in pleasant forest and mountains and by the sides of
delightful streams.
Sunken City Off India Coast-
7500 B. C.?
© 2002 by Linda Moulton HoweFebruary 16, 2002Surat, India -
A month ago in mid-January, marine scientists in India announced
they had sonar images of square and rectangular shapes about 130
feet down off the northwestern coast of India in the Gulf of Khambhat
(Cambay). Not only are their sonar shapes with 90-degree angles,
the Indian Minister of Science and Technology ordered that the site
be dredged. What was found has surprised archaeologists around
the world and was the subject of a private meeting two weeks ago
attended by the Indian Minister in charge of investigating the
underwater site about thirty miles off the coast from Surat.An
American who traveled to that private meeting was Michael
Cremo, researcher in the history of archaeology for the Bhakti
Vedanta Institute in India and author of the book Forbidden
Archaeology. I talked with him today in India about the dredging
operation, what the ocean engineers found and the implications of
first carbon dating of artifacts at more than 9,000 years.
Michael Cremo, Researcher of Ancient Archaeology
and Author, Forbidden Archaeology
"Within the past few months, the engineers began some dredging
operations there and they pulled up human fossil bones, fossil wood,
stone tools, pieces of pottery and many other things that indicated
that it indeed was a human habitation site that they had. And they
were able to do more intensive sonar work there and were able to
identify more structures. They appeared to have been laid out on the
bank of a river that had been flowing from the Indian subcontinent
out into that area.According to the news releases, they have done a
radiocarbon testing on a piece of wood from the underwater site
that is now yielding an age of 9,500 years which would place it
near the end of the last Ice Age.Yes, those are the indications that
are coming. There were actually two radiocarbon dates: one about
7500 years old and another about 9500 years old. The 9500 yea
r old one seems to be the strongest one. That's the one they are
going with. This was announced by Minister Joshi (Murli Manohar
Joshi is Indian Minister for Ocean Technology) at this meeting I
attended in Hyderabad, India. He said there is going to be more
work going on. It's difficult because it's very difficult to see down
there. There is a very swift current. So, it's going to have to be a
pretty massive effort, but he said the government of India is willing
to put the resources behind it to do whatever it takes to further
confirm these discoveries.I also spoke in Hyderabad with an
independent archaeologist not connected with the Indian
government, but who has a deep interest in these discoveries
and he says they are still going to have to send divers down there.
Up to this point, they have not sent divers down. The information
they have is based on the sonar readings and the dredging they
have done. Eventually, they are going to have to find a way to
get people down there to take a closer look at this. I think this
effort is going to go on.
 Now, another American archaeologist, Richard Meadows of
Harvard University, is proposing there should be an international
effort here. On the surface that sounds like a good idea, but it also
may be an effort of American archaeologists and others to control
the project. I don't think they want to see a civilization being as old
as it appears to be according to these new finds at 9500 years ago.
So, I would hope the Indian archaeologists and government would
be very cautious about letting outsiders in there who might have a
different agenda and who might try to control what gets let out about
this very important discovery. It could be quite revolutionary.
Cultural Background of People At Underwater Site?
Even if we don't know what the cultural background of the people is,
if it does happen to be a city that is 9500 years old, that is older than
the Sumerian civilization by several thousand years. It is older than the
Egyptian, older than the Chinese. So it would radically affect our whole
picture of the development of urban civilization on this planet.
 Now, if it further happens that additional research is able to identify
the culture of the people who lived in that city that's now underwater,
if it turns out they are a Vedic people - which I think is quite probable
given the location of this off the coast of India - I think that would
radically change the whole picture of Indian history which has basically
been written by western archaeologists.
India's Vedic Culture - Was It Really Older Than 3500 Years?
The most archaic Sanskrit (Devanagari) is that of the Vedas, multiple
books written in thousands of hymns and verses arranged in song cycles
. The Vedas say that "God-men" brought Sanskrit to Earth men as a
language of musical tones
Indus Script
- the mother of all alphabetic scriptsAbove on the left is a comparison of the
numerals 1 through 10 in Devanagari Sanskrit compared to Arabic. On the
right are some examples of Devanagari vowels and diphthongs.Sources:
The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th Edition © 1993 and Sanskrit
Keys to the Wisdom Religion © 1968 by Judith Tyberg.Ever since the
19th Century, there has been a huge debate about the actual history of
India. When the Europeans first came there, they noticed that the people
in India who had the Sanskrit language as the main language of their
literature - they noticed that the European languages were similar
(in word concepts), so that meant the Europeans and East Indians had
to be related. The 19th Century scientists also noticed that the Sanskrit
culture or Vedic culture, as it is sometimes called after the ancient Indian
literature, Vedas, which means knowledge, so sometimes the ancient
Indian culture is called the Vedic culture or Vedic civilization. The
literature is called the Vedic literature. So, the scientists noticed that it
appeared to be older than the European cultures. Since the European
languages were related to the Indian language Sanskrit of the Vedas
that could only mean that the European peoples had to have come out
of India somehow and then gone to Europe with their languages that
differentiated into Russian, English, Spanish, German and the rest of
them. The European investigators didn't like that idea because it would
have given the Vedic culture a position superior to their own. So, these
early cities in the Indus Valley like Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro have
been identified by archaeologists such as Richard Meadows and others
as being non-Vedic. They think the Vedic culture came into India maybe
3500 years ago.Isn't that inconsistent with the concept of the Vedas of
the Krishna character who comes and says the universe is teeming with
life and appears to have knowledge about other habitations in the cosmos
and is talking from an age that would go back at least 9,500 years?In these
ancient Sanskrit writings, there is no hint at all that the culture came from
anywhere else.And if they are the prime source and if the Vedic literature
can be taken literally, then it implies that there were cities there inhabited
at least several thousand years ago.
Yes, and there has been other research going on in that area. For
example, the Rg Veda, which is one of the earliest Vedic literatures,
talks about a mighty river called the Saraswati that flowed from the
Himalayan mountains down to the Arabian Sea, down in that area of
northwestern India. And such a river doesn't exist there today. So,
what happened is that people thought therefore the Rg Veda cannot
be talking about India. It has to be talking about some other place
outside of India where there was some kind of river.
But what happened that is quite interesting a few years ago is that
archaeologists in India started studying the satellite photographs from
American satellites like LANDSAT had been providing and they
noticed there was a dry river channel that began up in the Himalayas,
a huge river that went down almost to that Bay of Khambaht
(Cambay) we are talking about (the location of the underwater
city site). And then later, they found that on the banks of that river
there were 800 to 1000 urban sites, archaeological sites.So, it does
appear that what the Rg Veda was talking about, a mighty river lined
with cities in India over 5,000 years ago - that has to be true. The last
time that river had water in it was over 5,000 years ago?Is there a
possibility that there could have been some sort of non-human
co-habitation on the continent of India let's say 50,000 years ago
that could explain all of the Vedas?
Yes. In Kashmir, the valley of Kashmir, it appears it was many years
ago a lake. Now, there is an ancient Sanskrit manuscript that tells of
a lake that existed in that area, so that account is there in some ancient
writings. Now, according to modern geological reporting, about 40,000
years ago Kashmir was indeed a lake in the valley of Kashmir in northern
India. It was covered by a huge lake and it was blocked on the southern
end by a little range of mountains. And at a certain point, something
happened and it broke open and the lake drained out. That happened
about 40,000 to 50,000 years ago. So, it is interesting that you've got
this ancient historical record that talks about this lake. And if it is to be
taken literally, then it means that somebody must have seen this lake
as it existed 50,000 years ago and wrote about it."
Harappan Civilization (ca. 3000 - 1500 B.C.)
Until the recent Bay of Khambaht discovery, one of the oldest,
advanced urban centers in India investigated by archaeologists is
Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro in present day Pakistan along the Indus
River. Will anything in the Bay of Khambaht discovery resemble the
structures of the very ancient and mysterious Harappan Civilization?
Excavated walls of a Harappan urban city, one of the most mysterious
cultures of the ancient Indian world more than 3,000 years ago. The
people were literate and used the Dravidian Sanskrit language, only
part of which has been deciphered today. The artifacts from Harappa
and Mohenjo-Daro in the Indus Valley of Pakistan are extraordinary
in beauty and detail.
Source:North Park University, Chicago, Illinois.
Harappan writing (Dictionary) Click below
http://harappanwriting.piczo.com/?cr=2
Space images taken by NASA reveal a mysterious ancient bridge in
the Palk Strait between India and Sri Lanka. The recently discovered
bridge currently named as Ram Setu (Adam's Bridge) is made of chain
of shoals, c.18 mi (30 km) long.
The bridge's unique curvature and composition by age reveals that it is
man made. The legends as well as Archeological studies reveal that the
first signs of human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to the a primitive
age, about 1,750,000 years ago and the bridge's age is also almost
equivalent.
This information is a crucial aspect for an insight into the ancient epic
RAMAYANA, which was supposed to have taken place in treta
yuga (more than 1,700,000 years ago)......